If your relationship is in need of a fixer upper, Joanna Gaines has the blueprint for you.

The HGTV star shared insight into her long-lasting marriage with Chip Gaines, revealing what she believes is the secret to their strong bond after over 25 years together.

“I love just how opposite we are,” Joanna shared on the Nov. 4 episode of the Not Gonna Lie podcast. “I do feel like once you understand that Chip’s strengths and my strengths are very different, but together, it really does create magic. There’s a tension there, but then there’s power there that really happens when you embrace it.”

 “For both of us, we’re OK evolving,” she continued to host Kylie Kelce. “It’s not like, ‘This is who I am, and that’s who you are.’”

The Fixer Upper star—who shares kids Drake, 21, Ella, 19, Duke, 18, Emmie, 16, and Crew, 8, with Chip—emphasized that her husband of 23 years is “challenging me every day.”

As Joanna put it, the couple holds “each other’s differences with this respect and almost this awe.”